{"id":21067,"date":"2016-10-15T19:40:09","date_gmt":"2016-10-15T16:40:09","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.bghaber.org\/bghaber\/?p=21067"},"modified":"2016-10-15T19:40:09","modified_gmt":"2016-10-15T16:40:09","slug":"karsi-devrim-olmazsa-ab-coker","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.bghaber.org\/bghaber\/karsi-devrim-olmazsa-ab-coker\/","title":{"rendered":"Kar\u015f\u0131 Devrim Olmazsa AB \u00c7\u00f6ker"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Levent RAS\u0130M<\/p>\n<p>Konu:\u00a0 <strong>Avrupa Birli\u011fi yol ar\u0131yor. (<em>Tercume)<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/upload.wikimedia.org\/wikipedia\/commons\/thumb\/5\/5a\/Kaczynski_Jaroslaw_1_070.JPG\/200px-Kaczynski_Jaroslaw_1_070.JPG\" alt=\"Yaroslav Ka\u00e7inski ile ilgili g\u00f6rsel sonucu\" \/>\u00a0Yaroslav Ka\u00e7inski<\/p>\n<p>\u201c<strong>La Reoublika<\/strong>\u201d gazetesine deme\u00e7 veren, Polonya iktidar partisi lideri, Polonya\u2019n\u0131n eski ba\u015fbakan\u0131 ve Rusya\u2019da bir u\u00e7ak kazas\u0131nda hayat\u0131ndan olan Polonya Cumhurba\u015fkan\u0131 Leh Ka\u00e7inski\u2019nin karde\u015fi Polonya iktidar partisinin lideri <strong>Yartoslav Ka\u00e7inski<\/strong> \u015f\u00f6yle dedi:<\/p><div id=\"bghab-299048421\" class=\"bghab-icerik-icine bghab-entity-placement\"><script async src=\"\/\/pagead2.googlesyndication.com\/pagead\/js\/adsbygoogle.js?client=ca-pub-6203283170189293\" crossorigin=\"anonymous\"><\/script><ins class=\"adsbygoogle\" style=\"display:block; text-align:center;\" data-ad-client=\"ca-pub-6203283170189293\" \ndata-ad-slot=\"7303146466\" \ndata-ad-layout=\"in-article\"\ndata-ad-format=\"fluid\" data-full-width-responsive=\"true\"><\/ins>\n<script> \n(adsbygoogle = window.adsbygoogle || []).push({}); \n<\/script>\n<\/div>\n<p>\u201cBiz Polonya\u2019da gerekli olan reformlar\u0131n yap\u0131lmas\u0131na \u2018<strong>\u00f6zg\u00fcr olmam\u0131z\u0131 sa\u011flayacak<\/strong> DEVR\u0130M\u2019 diyoruz.<\/p>\n<p>Biz biraz g\u00fccenmi\u015f bir durumday\u0131z: \u015e\u00f6yle, Ankara\u2019ya kar\u015f\u0131 dostane davran\u0131l\u0131yor, Var\u015fova\u2019ya ise sert\u00e7e bak\u0131l\u0131yor.<\/p>\n<p>Rusya ise 1989\u2019dan sonra Avrupa\u2019da beliren yeni ger\u00e7ekli\u011fe ayak uydurma yolunda ad\u0131m bile atmad\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131 her ge\u00e7en g\u00fcn kan\u0131tl\u0131yor.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Ge\u00e7en y\u00fczy\u0131l\u0131n 80\u2019li y\u0131llar\u0131nda Yaroslav Ka\u00e7inski \u201c<strong>Dayan\u0131\u015fma<\/strong>\u201d sendikas\u0131n\u0131n aktif eylemcilerinden biri olarak 1989\u2019da kom\u00fcnist rejimin d\u00fc\u015fmesinde \u00e7ok aktif rol oynad\u0131.<\/p>\n<p><strong>1991 \u2013 1993 d\u00f6neminde parlamento \u00fcyesiydi.<\/strong><\/p><div id=\"bghab-4107641556\" class=\"bghab-icerik-icine-10-paragraf bghab-entity-placement\"><script async src=\"\/\/pagead2.googlesyndication.com\/pagead\/js\/adsbygoogle.js?client=ca-pub-6203283170189293\" crossorigin=\"anonymous\"><\/script><ins class=\"adsbygoogle\" style=\"display:block; text-align:center;\" data-ad-client=\"ca-pub-6203283170189293\" \ndata-ad-slot=\"7303146466\" \ndata-ad-layout=\"in-article\"\ndata-ad-format=\"fluid\" data-full-width-responsive=\"true\"><\/ins>\n<script> \n(adsbygoogle = window.adsbygoogle || []).push({}); \n<\/script>\n<\/div>\n<p>Polonya\u2019da, 2005\u2019te se\u00e7im kazanan,\u00a0 \u201c<strong>Hak ve Adalet<\/strong>\u201d isimli sa\u011f partinin kurucusudur. 2006 \u2013 2007 y\u0131llar\u0131nda iktidar olan parti lideri ve ba\u015fbakan olarak \u201c<strong>r\u00fc\u015fvet ve b\u00fcrokraside yolsuzluk<\/strong>\u201d davas\u0131 kahraman\u0131 ilan edildi.<\/p>\n<p><strong>O \u201cLa Republika\u201d gazetesinin g\u00fcncel siyasete ili\u015fkin \u015fu sorular\u0131n\u0131 yan\u0131tlad\u0131: <\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>Soru: <\/strong>Say\u0131n Ka\u00e7inski, Siz, Macaristan Ba\u015fbakan\u0131 Viktor Orbanla birlikte,<strong> \u201cAvrupa Birli\u011fi\u2019nde kar\u015f\u0131 devrim yap\u0131lmas\u0131 gerekti\u011fi\u201d <\/strong>tezini savundunuz. Bunun anlam\u0131 nedir?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Yan\u0131t: <\/strong>Avrupa ba\u015ftanba\u015fa b\u00fcy\u00fck boyutlu de\u011fi\u015fikliklerle y\u00fcz y\u00fczedir. S\u00f6ylem \u00f6zg\u00fcrl\u00fc\u011f\u00fcm\u00fcz\u00fc, din \u00f6zg\u00fcrl\u00fcklerimizi, tart\u0131\u015fabilme h\u00fcrriyetlerimizi ve karar alma serbestli\u011fimizi s\u0131n\u0131rland\u0131ran Avrupa Birli\u011findeki nezarethane hareketlerdir.\u00a0 Demokrasinin nas\u0131l yok edildi\u011fine tan\u0131k olanlar biziz. Polonya ve Macaristan\u2019da, Avrupa\u2019da bu olaya kar\u015f\u0131 ba\u015fkald\u0131ranlar Orban ile ikiniziz. Bundan dolay\u0131 bir onunla ikimiz,\u00a0 Polonya\u2019da \u201c<strong>\u00f6zg\u00fcr olmam\u0131z\u0131 sa\u011flayacak DEVR\u0130M<\/strong>\u201d olarak atland\u0131rd\u0131\u011f\u0131m\u0131z <strong>KAR\u015eI DEVR\u0130M\u0130N<\/strong> yap\u0131lmas\u0131nda direniyoruz.<\/p>\n<p>Biz Avrupa\u2019da ulusal devletler konseptine geri d\u00f6nmek zorunday\u0131z. \u00c7\u00fcnk\u00fc \u00f6zg\u00fcrl\u00fc\u011f\u00fc ve demokrasiyi ayr\u0131ca k\u00fclt\u00fcrel \u00e7e\u015fitlili\u011fi g\u00fcvence alt\u0131na alabilecek olan ancak ilgili politik kurumlard\u0131r. Avrupa\u2019n\u0131n k\u00fclt\u00fcrel birle\u015fmesi bir geriye s\u00f6k\u00fclme (y\u0131k\u0131m) olaca\u011f\u0131ndan dolay\u0131 geli\u015fmemiz i\u00e7in \u00e7ok tehlikeli bir y\u00f6n alabilir. \u00d6te yandan, \u0130ngilizlerin \u201cbrekzit\u201d karar\u0131 AB\u2019ye ilk a\u011f\u0131r darbeyi art\u0131k ac\u0131mas\u0131zca indirdi. Ben, \u0130ngiltere\u2019nin AB\u2019ye d\u00f6nece\u011fine ve birlikte \u00e7ok daha g\u00fc\u00e7l\u00fc olaca\u011f\u0131m\u0131za inan\u0131yorum.\u00a0 E\u011fer Avrupa d\u00fcnya \u00e7ap\u0131nda bir s\u00fcper devlet olmak istiyorsa, buna uygun ve bunun gerekli k\u0131ld\u0131\u011f\u0131 bir davran\u0131\u015f sergilemeli ve halklar\u0131n ve devletlerin ulusal ve etnik k\u00fclt\u00fcrel \u00f6zg\u00fcnl\u00fcklerini elinin tersiyle \u00e7\u00f6pe itmemelidir. Bu yap\u0131labilir. Ulusal devletlerin g\u00fc\u00e7lenmesi ve keyfi uygulamalar\u0131n yolunun kesilmesi i\u00e7in bir gayr\u0131 resmi g\u00f6r\u00fc\u015fmelerde bulunduk ve anla\u015fmalarda ne gibi de\u011fi\u015fikler yap\u0131lmas\u0131 gerekti\u011fine \u00f6nerilerimizi sunduk. B\u00fct\u00fcn \u00fclkeler i\u00e7in ayn\u0131 standartlar ge\u00e7erli olmal\u0131d\u0131r. Avrupa Konseyi bu konularda T\u00fcrkiye ile ili\u015fkilerinde Polonya \u2018ya olan tutumundan \u00e7ok daha dostanedir.\u00a0 Biz biraz g\u00fccenmi\u015f bir durumday\u0131z: \u015e\u00f6yle, Ankara\u2019ya kar\u015f\u0131 dostane davran\u0131l\u0131yor, Var\u015fova\u2019ya ise sert\u00e7e bak\u0131l\u0131yor.<\/p><div id=\"bghab-4209472707\" class=\"bghab-icerik-icine-15-paragraf bghab-entity-placement\"><script async src=\"\/\/pagead2.googlesyndication.com\/pagead\/js\/adsbygoogle.js?client=ca-pub-6203283170189293\" crossorigin=\"anonymous\"><\/script><ins class=\"adsbygoogle\" style=\"display:block; text-align:center;\" data-ad-client=\"ca-pub-6203283170189293\" \ndata-ad-slot=\"7303146466\" \ndata-ad-layout=\"in-article\"\ndata-ad-format=\"fluid\" data-full-width-responsive=\"true\"><\/ins>\n<script> \n(adsbygoogle = window.adsbygoogle || []).push({}); \n<\/script>\n<\/div>\n<p><strong>Soru: <\/strong>Jan Klod Y\u00fcnker ve Martin Schultz gibi bir\u00e7ok Avrupa lideri sizi .ok sert ele\u015ftiriyor. Bu durumda \u00f6d\u00fcn nas\u0131l elde edilebilir.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Yan\u0131t: <\/strong>Onlar bizim kendi ba\u015f\u0131m\u0131za karar vermemizi istemiyor. Onlara g\u00f6re biz uyumlu ve siyasi olarak nezaketli birileri de\u011filiz, ayr\u0131ca Polonya b\u00fcy\u00fck bir devlettir. Gayr\u0131 resmi bir g\u00f6r\u00fc\u015fmeden bana \u015f\u00f6yle dediler: \u201cMacaristan k\u00fc\u00e7\u00fck bir \u00fclke oldu\u011fundan dolay\u0131 baz\u0131 sorunlarla ilgili \u00f6d\u00fcn verilebilir.\u201d Fakat bu yakla\u015f\u0131m anla\u015f\u0131lan Polonya i\u00e7in ge\u00e7erli de\u011fil. Biz de NATO ve AB \u00fcyesiyiz, ekonomimiz b\u00fcy\u00fcyor, devletimizin mali imk\u00e2nlar\u0131 istikrarl\u0131d\u0131r. Bundan dolay\u0131 biz Y\u00fcnker ve Schultz\u2019un ele\u015ftirilerini kabul edemeyiz. Bize ele\u015ftirilerle sald\u0131rmalar\u0131ndansa kazanan yoktur. Polonya her zaman Polonya kalacakt\u0131r.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Soru<\/strong>: Siz Avrupa i\u00e7in nas\u0131l bir gelecek \u00f6ng\u00f6r\u00fcyorsunuz?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Yan\u0131t<\/strong>: Eski k\u0131ta b\u00fcy\u00fck bir s\u00fcratle de\u011fi\u015fiklik kaydediyor, fakat kan\u0131mca isabetli bir yolda ilerlemiyor. Pop\u00fclistler (halk\u00e7\u0131lar) d\u00f6rt bir yanda g\u00fc\u00e7 topluyor. Ben, \u00f6rne\u011fin Mar ile Pen\u2019in se\u00e7im kazanaca\u011f\u0131na inanm\u0131yorum, fakat o gen\u00e7 ve \u00f6n\u00fcnde daha \u00e7ok zaman var. Ya da \u0130talya\u2019daki Kuzel Lige veya \u0130skandinavya\u2019daki halk\u00e7\u0131 partiye bak\u0131n\u0131z. Ben Avrupa\u2019n\u0131n 6 y\u0131l sonra nas\u0131l bir durumda olaca\u011f\u0131n\u0131 s\u00f6ylemekte g\u00fc\u00e7leniyorum. G\u00fc\u00e7 toplayan pop\u00fclistlerin bask\u0131s\u0131 alt\u0131nda AB patlayabilir. Bundan dolay\u0131, AB kendi i\u00e7inde reform yapmazsa,\u00a0 \u00e7\u00f6kecektir.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Soru<\/strong>: Viktor Orban\u2019\u0131n s\u0131\u011f\u0131nmac\u0131lar konusundaki referandumu gerekli miktarda Macar\u2019\u0131 seferber edemedi. Bu da Avrupac\u0131 yar\u0131 etnik toplulu\u011fa g\u00fc\u00e7 kazand\u0131rd\u0131. Siz bu soruna nas\u0131l de\u011ferlendiriyorsunuz?<\/p><div id=\"bghab-1905702575\" class=\"bghab-icerik-icine-20-paragraf bghab-entity-placement\"><script async src=\"\/\/pagead2.googlesyndication.com\/pagead\/js\/adsbygoogle.js?client=ca-pub-6203283170189293\" crossorigin=\"anonymous\"><\/script><ins class=\"adsbygoogle\" style=\"display:block; text-align:center;\" data-ad-client=\"ca-pub-6203283170189293\" \ndata-ad-slot=\"7303146466\" \ndata-ad-layout=\"in-article\"\ndata-ad-format=\"fluid\" data-full-width-responsive=\"true\"><\/ins>\n<script> \n(adsbygoogle = window.adsbygoogle || []).push({}); \n<\/script>\n<\/div>\n<p><strong>Yan\u0131t<\/strong>: Ben Orban\u2019\u0131n kayba u\u011frad\u0131\u011f\u0131 kan\u0131s\u0131nda de\u011filim. Vatanda\u015flar\u0131n % 50\u2019den fazlas\u0131 sand\u0131k ba\u015f\u0131na gidip oy kullansalard\u0131 iyi olacakt\u0131. S\u0131\u011f\u0131nmac\u0131lardan herhangi biri herhangi bir \u00fclkeden gelip orada kalmak ve ya\u015famak istiyor, ku\u015fkusuz yerli yasalara uymas\u0131 gerekir. Baz\u0131 Avrupa \u00fclkeleri yerel d\u00fczen dedi\u011fimiz bu kurallar\u0131 unutunca bir\u00e7ok yerde bir\u00e7ok \u00e7at\u0131\u015fma \u00e7\u0131kt\u0131. \u0130slam s\u0131\u011f\u0131nmac\u0131lar\u0131n hele de kad\u0131nlara kar\u015f\u0131 sald\u0131rgan olmalar\u0131, tavr\u0131m\u0131za bir ba\u015fka gerek\u00e7edir.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Soru<\/strong>: Do\u011fu Avrupa Polonya ve Macaristan\u2019\u0131 dayan\u0131\u015fma konular\u0131nda geri kalmakla su\u00e7lad\u0131. Sizin yan\u0131t\u0131n\u0131z nedir?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Yan\u0131t<\/strong>: Biz bu bask\u0131y\u0131 hissediyoruz, fakat b\u00fck\u00fclmeyece\u011fiz. S\u00f6z konusu olan Angela Merkel\u2019in kararlar\u0131d\u0131r. Onunkiler t\u00fcr\u00fcnden \u201ctesad\u00fcfi\u201d kararlar, ancak Almanya gibi iyi \u00f6rg\u00fctl\u00fc ve istikrarl\u0131 bir devlette al\u0131nabilir. Avrupal\u0131 ortaklarla m\u00fczakere edilmeden, ancak s\u0131\u011f\u0131nmac\u0131lar\u0131n Almanya ekonomisine faydal\u0131 olaca\u011f\u0131 inanc\u0131yla bu insanlar\u0131n Avrupa\u2019ya davet edilmesi\u00a0 bir ciddi \u00f6rnektir. Fakat durum farkl\u0131d\u0131r.<\/p>\n<p>Bununla birlikte ben Almanlar\u0131n \u0130ngilizlerin Avrupa Birli\u011fi\u2019ndeki yerini de kaplamak istedi\u011fine inan\u0131yorum. Onlar, muhtemelen AB i\u00e7inde g\u00fc\u00e7l\u00fc ve tehlikeli bir rakipleri olmas\u0131n\u0131 istememi\u015flerdir. Bu arada, Almanya ve AB, Polonya\u2019n\u0131n bir milyondan fazla Ukraynal\u0131 s\u0131\u011f\u0131nmac\u0131 g\u00f6\u00e7men kabul etti\u011fini unutuyorlar.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Soru<\/strong>: Rusya\u2019da bir askeri sald\u0131r\u0131 gelebilece\u011finden korkuyor musunuz?<\/p><div id=\"bghab-131821952\" class=\"bghab-icerik-icine-25-paragraf bghab-entity-placement\"><script async src=\"\/\/pagead2.googlesyndication.com\/pagead\/js\/adsbygoogle.js?client=ca-pub-6203283170189293\" crossorigin=\"anonymous\"><\/script><ins class=\"adsbygoogle\" style=\"display:block; text-align:center;\" data-ad-client=\"ca-pub-6203283170189293\" \ndata-ad-slot=\"7303146466\" \ndata-ad-layout=\"in-article\"\ndata-ad-format=\"fluid\" data-full-width-responsive=\"true\"><\/ins>\n<script> \n(adsbygoogle = window.adsbygoogle || []).push({}); \n<\/script>\n<\/div>\n<p><strong>Yan\u0131t<\/strong>: Rusya taraf\u0131ndan ard\u0131 aras\u0131 kesilmez k\u0131\u015fk\u0131rtma ve sald\u0131rgan hareketler geliyor. Polonya jetleri Balt\u0131k devletlerinin hava savunmas\u0131n\u0131 sa\u011f\u0131l\u0131yor. Rusya bug\u00fcnk\u00fc hareketleriyle de, 1989 sonras\u0131 Avrupa\u2019ya ayak uydurmad\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131 kan\u0131tlamaya devam ediyor. Kan\u0131mca bu daha \u00e7ok uzun s\u00fcrecektir. Ruslar, bu i\u015fte bir s\u0131n\u0131r oldu\u011funu fark ettiklerinde, biz durumu istikrara kavu\u015fturmu\u015f oluruz. Sovyetler Birli\u011fi da\u011f\u0131lmazdan \u00f6ncesinde oldu\u011fu gibi Moskova \u015fimdi de bu sald\u0131rgan eylemler i\u00e7in t\u00fcm imk\u00e2nlar\u0131n\u0131 kullan\u0131yor. Bu diren\u00e7te bir NATO ve ABD\u2019nin dayan\u0131\u015fmaya bel ba\u011fl\u0131yoruz.<\/p>\n<div id=\"bghab-1357934064\" class=\"bghab-yazi-altinda bghab-entity-placement\"><div class=\"bghab-adlabel\">Reklamlar<\/div><script async src=\"https:\/\/pagead2.googlesyndication.com\/pagead\/js\/adsbygoogle.js\"><\/script>\r\n<!-- bghaber-yaz\u0131-sonu -->\r\n<ins class=\"adsbygoogle\"\r\n     style=\"display:block\"\r\n     data-ad-client=\"ca-pub-6203283170189293\"\r\n     data-ad-slot=\"4222328180\"\r\n     data-ad-format=\"auto\"\r\n     data-full-width-responsive=\"true\"><\/ins>\r\n<script>\r\n     (adsbygoogle = window.adsbygoogle || []).push({});\r\n<\/script><\/div><br style=\"clear: both; display: block; float: none;\"\/>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>&nbsp; Levent RAS\u0130M Konu:\u00a0 Avrupa Birli\u011fi yol ar\u0131yor. (Tercume) \u00a0Yaroslav Ka\u00e7inski \u201cLa Reoublika\u201d gazetesine deme\u00e7 veren, Polonya iktidar partisi lideri, Polonya\u2019n\u0131n eski ba\u015fbakan\u0131 ve Rusya\u2019da<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":13,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"advanced_seo_description":"","jetpack_seo_html_title":"","jetpack_seo_noindex":false,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[6],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-21067","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-yorum"],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack_likes_enabled":true,"jetpack-related-posts":[],"jetpack_shortlink":"https:\/\/wp.me\/pc2PfJ-5tN","_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.bghaber.org\/bghaber\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/21067","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.bghaber.org\/bghaber\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.bghaber.org\/bghaber\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.bghaber.org\/bghaber\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/13"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.bghaber.org\/bghaber\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=21067"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.bghaber.org\/bghaber\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/21067\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.bghaber.org\/bghaber\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=21067"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.bghaber.org\/bghaber\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=21067"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.bghaber.org\/bghaber\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=21067"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}